Some interesting analysis of the opinion polls from ESWN (via Simon). I wasn’t aware of this, but it seems that the DAB’s share of the vote is consistently under-estimated in opinion polls.

This is not a new phenomenon, and interestingly, there’s a piece in this week’s Economist about the differing results from opinion polls on the US election. They mention…

a problem that pollsters have long recognised: people who feel the winds of public opinion shifting in their direction are more confident about telling pollsters what they think than those who don’t.

Perhaps Americans like to back winners, but in the UK it was more a matter of apparent embarassment about supporting the party in power. This caused opinion pollsters major problems in the UK when the Conservatives were in power (notably in the 1992 election, which was widely expected to result in a Labour victory). When asked, people were most reluctant to admit that they were intending to vote (or even had actually voted) for the Conservatives. At first, opinion pollsters (reasonably enough) took the answers they were given at face value and found that their predictions were hopelessly wrong. Then they started adjusting the raw data to take account of this discrepancy (and I believe they also had some cunning scheme to allow people to express their preference ‘secretly’ when data was collected face-to-face rather than over the phone). Whatever they did seemed to fix the problem, and I guess the HK pollsters have no choice but to do something similar.

ESWN also notes that the results have been subject to vastly different interpretations in various media around the world. We aren’t electing a government and so there are no winners or losers in absolute terms, and in addition to that, comparing these results with 2000 is difficult because there are now more seats in the geographical constituencies. So, as ESWN notes, it largely comes down to how the parties did against expectations. That means that there’s ample scope for almost any interpretation you wish to make!

One area where I think EWSN is being a trifle unfair is in saying (even with the benefit of hindsight) that it was a mistake to field two separate lists of pro-democracy candidates on HK Island. The reason for having two lists is because some voters might support Audrey Eu (or Cyd Ho) but not be so keen on Yeung Sum or Martin Lee (or vice versa), so a single list might be off-putting for some people. As seems to have been the case in NT East, according to Christine Loh in today’s SCMP. She feels that it was a mistake to field a single list because the candidates were so diverse, and it certainly didn’t work as well as they had hoped. I don’t think there is any guarantee that it would have worked any better for the HK Island consitituency.

There is no simple answer to this conundrum, and unless we have a change in the voting system the democrats will always have this problem. The big error, obviously, was in encouraging voters to switch to Martin Lee’s ticket because opinion suggested he might lose. Which is where we came in, I think.

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4 responses to “Making sense of it all”

  1. Denis avatar
    Denis

    Being a local Chinese who values democracy (which would benefit the whole population) higher than economic stability (which seems to benefit the fat cats more ), I am extremely disappointed at the results shown.
    I had expected a much larger turnout and more votes to the democratic alliance. I am one of the many voters who voted for Yeung Sum/ Martin Lee for the sake of getting Martin Lee elected, had I known the outcome, I would definitely vote for Audrey Yu / Cyd Ho. However, I do not feel cheated by Martin Lee or the Democratic Party, maybe like Chris suggested, the polls are skewed or perhaps very difficult to interpret, and the more significant point being Martin / DP didn’t expect so many people would switch their votes to the DP.
    It’s very sad day for me, it actually feels like I don’t belong to this place because the results suggested my views/belief are against the majority of those of the people in Hong Kong.

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  2. Tom - Daai Tou Laam avatar

    Also remember that two pro-government parties, the New Century Forum and Progressive Alliance were both “dismantled” for the election and their seats divided by the DAB and Liberals.
    And ESWN’s problems with the polls are political in nature. He obfuscates that a huge portion of folks were undecided. Add in the percentage of the undecideds and I’ll bet it all adds up within a margin of error.
    The pundits also don’t mention that Lau and Ho were campaigning on the last day in Kowloon with Albert Cheng. Needless to say Cheng was a big winner in his constituency and Ho lost out.

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  3. Chris avatar

    To be honest, I don’t think that democracy will bring any tangible benefits for most people, so I could totally understand if people voted for the party that could do the most for the economy. However, none of the parties contesting the election have the power to do anything about the economy, and neither can the Democrats introduce democracy.
    Many people who are in favour of more democracy either didn’t vote at all or voted for parties or individuals who are not part of the pro-democracy grouping.
    The election results don’t mean that people in Hong Kong don’t care about democracy, and in fact the good showing by the DAB and the Liberals might well make the authorities feel less nervous about greater democracy.

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  4. Tom - Daai Tou Laam avatar

    That’s true.
    And I just did a cursory check on the last poll numbers and the undecideds did break more in favour of the DAB than the percentages of those who stated a preference. I’m not sure I’ll concede ESWN’s point yet that the polls are flawed, since for example something like 46% in NTWest were undecided during the last poll.
    Perhaps later I’ll put the numbers in to a spreadsheet and see what really might be lurking beneath the bikini of these stats.

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