I think I will have to treat Ron with more respect. He reveals that he has a car with both Hong Kong and PRC plates. As far as I am aware, dual plates are only made available to the owners of businesses that have significant operations in China, so Ron must be a big cheese. Anyway, Ron recounts some of the problems he has dealing with his business partners, and it’s an interesting read.

Shaky was moaning about the impact of the falling US Dollar on his finances. He is paid in Hong Kong Dollars, but has to send some of that money back to the UK (presumably to pay his mortgage), and currently his salary converts into fewer Pounds Sterling than previously. My sympathy was rather limited, especially as any property he owns in the UK will have appreciated significantly in value over the last few years, and interest rates are still low. Then he hinted that he will be receiving a good bonus this year, and so my sympathy disappeared completely! He is considering buying a plasma TV. I remember when they first appeared in Hong Kong and cost about HK$100k, and although prices have been dropping ever since, they are still expensive (the cheapest ones are about HK$23k or thereabouts). There is also an issue with how long they last, and there was recently a report (from the Consumer Council?) about the consequential high cost of maintenance contracts.

Teachers from the English Schools Foundation were protesting on Thursday about the proposed pay cuts that were recently announced.

Tony Flynn, a Sha Tin College teacher said there was no valid reason for a pay cut, given the economic recovery. He added that overseas staff were already earning less because of foreign exchange fluctuations and ESF staff were now not paid much more than counterparts in Britain. “If you disenfranchise them, upset them and eradicate good will, the consequences will be enormous,” he added.

That’s a clever argument – because the ESF didn’t cut pay earlier, they don’t need to do it now. ESF teachers enjoyed increases in line with the civil service up until last year, but haven’t had the pay cuts that were imposed on civil servants. Given that the cost of living has fallen they are much better off. Then we get the same complaint we heard from Shaky, about the weak Dollar and strong Pound. I bet they weren’t complaining when the Dollar was strong and Sterling was weaker!

The ESF gets its money from the government (i.e. taxpayers) and the parents who send their children to its schools. This is not a business that makes profits, it’s an organization set up to run schools, funded by ordinary people who have (in most cases) seen their own salaries cut or lost their jobs. Why should teachers get special treatment?

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  1. Ron avatar

    Thanks Chris…
    There are two options by which you can get both HK and PRC license plates on your car.
    First one, is like you mentioned, investments in local [i.e Mainland China] business and mostly factories, etc.
    I have my PRC plates on my HK car because of the above. Though, it is a complex system and yes the investments are significant as in there is a required minimum amount of investment before you are qualified to have the PRC plates.
    Before I talk about the second option, let me explain the basics of PRC plates…
    Apart from the PRC plates, you also need a special license [alongside PRC driving license and of course insurance etc.]. Now this special license is specifically for an individual.
    Meaning, even if you have PRC driving license and Hong Kong driving license but do not have that special license assigned under your name then you cannot take my car and cross the border.
    Now the second way to get a PRC plate is to “rent” one of the existing PRC plates from a corporation/factory in China. This is illegal, but the practice is well established.
    During 1990, many Hong Kong investors who migrated their manufacturing to China secured a lot of such PRC plates under their [then not too high] investments. They have been maintaining these PRC plates since then and therefore do not have to re-qualify for significant investments.
    However, maintaining a PRC plate is expensive and unless you have to travel extensively in China by car, it is not very justified. BTW, driving your own car in China can ensure a lot more security for yourself rather than otherwise.
    So what these corporations/factory owners do is that they “rent” out their PRC plates to those who might need such plates and special license.
    In order to do that, they make it look like they have “appointed” such and such a person from Hong Kong etc., in their corporation/factory and that particular person will need to travel between Hong Kong and China and within China, etc. etc.
    Taking such document, now the person who has “rented” the plate gets the special license under his/her name [though the plate still belongs to the corporation/factory].
    However, this second option is risky for the corporation/factory. Because, since they just rent out their PRC plate for approx. 100,000 to 200,000 Hong Kong dollars per year [the “rent” fluctuates], they are taking a big risk if the person uses such plates and ends up doing cross border smuggling [which usually does happen especially with regards to cheap gasoline and cigarettes from China].
    This is one reason why we will never “rent” our PRC plates at any cost.
    Finally, since I will also be travelling to Shantou [Chiu Chow] regularly which is approx. 430 kilometers from Dongguan and roughly 350 Kilometers from Hong Kong, the plates are justified.
    Traveling in Southern China can be a pain in the ass if you have to always rely on others.
    Cheers!

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  2. Chris avatar

    Interesting! Certainly if you need to travel up to China regularly then having dual plates is much more convenient. I have not (so far) had to spend much time up in China, but getting to the factory is the most frustrating part. One company I worked with had a driver who picks people up from the border crossing at Shenzen and that was OK (as long as he was available). Another is close to one of the stations on the railway line up to Guangzhou, and since they upgraded the line that only takes 30-40 minutes.
    I suppose the two concerns I would have about dual plates are that they might make you a target for criminals (since they imply that you are wealthy), and the obvious hazard of driving in China. I’m not sure I would want to drive 350 km after a day working in the factory – or perhaps you have a driver?

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  3. Ron avatar

    Even if you are without dual plates or car you are still a target as foreigners are supposed to be wealthy.
    I do most of my thinking and planning while driving, but yes we do have drivers.
    Cheers!

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  4. Chris avatar

    Driving along the road and thinking is OK, but when I get stuck in traffic jams I get frustrated and don’t think about anything else!! So I guess it depends what your journey is like.
    Also, you can think whilst you’re driving, but it’s hard to write down the ideas. I suppose a voice recorder would do the trick, but I’ve never owned one.

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  5. pete avatar
    pete

    Hi Chris,
    I read your message about dual licence plates just now on the web, although i noticed that it was posted some time ago.
    You seem quite knowledgeable about china , and i wanted to ask you a question. If you get this, i hope you can find the time to help me out.
    I’m visiting china and i have a visiting visa at the moment – F visa. Although i go back to hong kong every 2 months, i would love to be able to drive in china.
    I’m situated in shantou aswell, and i wanted to know whether i can buy a car here and use my hk licence to drive here. If not, then what do i need to do?
    If you have any idea or opinions – would love to hear from you.
    thanks
    pete

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  6. Chris avatar

    Sorry – I have no idea! Ron might know (follow the link to his site and there should be an email address).

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